Would somebody please knock this illiterate idiot off his damn soapbox?

Never in my life have I met a more self-involved, egotistical, shit-for-brains individual like Dean. It’s all me, me, me. He claims to be so damn intelligent, yet doesn’t appear to have the ability to write using simple concepts like proper spelling, punctuation, or grammar. How the hell is anybody supposed to take him seriously when he writes like a 10-year-old child? I’m the ignorant one, indeed. I suggest he goes back to whatever college he attended and demand a refund. They failed him, and he paid for it.

Warning: This is not my best work. Honestly, I found it a tad difficult to reply to Dean's menagerie of random and illogical points. I could have just let it alone and let his ill-written words speak for themselves, but I just couldn't help myself. At least Quig had his shit together. With Dean, the words "knife" and "gunfight" come to mind.

Since Dean didn’t like my previously used “point-counterpoint” method, I’ll use it again.

Hi Red, Please post unedited in your helmet section.

Unedited wasn't the smartest choice, Dean.

First off people should understand I sent to you a direct communication that you posted out of context on your website without my permission.

Posted out of context? I used a simple point-counterpoint system, and quite effectively I might add.

It was a communication to you. And that you never told me you were doing this and only recently did I find that you did this.

You sent me an e-mail in regard to a posting on my site. What did you think was going to happen?

You did not have the courtesy or respect to notify me so I could reply. You wanted a one sided debate. Now you have my permission to post this reply in full.

I did notify you. I always notify the people I respond to on my site. It isn’t my fault you missed it. I'm pretty sure you got it because it didn't come back to me.

You demonstrated how low of a human you are willing to be and go. It is me Dean, I do not hide who I am, I see you call the Helmet defense leage cowards, who is the real coward you for hiding who you are?

The HLDL are cowards. I post valid arguments on their site and instead of arguing back, they simply remove anything I post.

I do not hide who I am. My nickname is Red and has been for almost 15 years. You get used to a moniker and stick with it. You want my name, here it is: SSG Neil J. Royal. Are you happy now?

I have looked at your site recently, when I sent to you my opinion it was a private debate I see you have enough time to be very rude and a real despicable person that I can say I am not proud you are an American.

There was no debate. You sent me an email. You stated your opinions, incomplete facts, and that ridiculous experiment, and I posted my reply. Yes, I am rude. I’m an asshole, and I know it (quite proud of it actually). Frankly, I don’t give a flying fuck at a rolling doughnut whether or not you are proud I’m an American. I am proud, and that’s all the matters.

Your childish name calling of me for a disagreement shows how intellectually challenged and despicable you are as a human.

Perhaps it was childish, but I have found it effective in the past. Like I said, I’m an asshole. I call it how I see it, and I’ll call it again. You’re still an idiot.

I think I can pretty well characterize you as like a lot of people I have met in my life that are 90% BS and not capable of understanding cause and effect relationships or data.

Characterize me all you want. Your characterization entitled to your opinion, but guess what…I don’t care.

I understand data quite well, thank you very much. I took statistics in college and know plenty about cause and effect, relational data, and the art of manipulating it.

To you, the world is still flat because you do not have the intellectual ability to even have someone explain it to you so you could understand.

No, I'm quite aware that the world is round; Magellan proved that (at least his crew that made it out of the Philippines did). Metaphors are not your forte. Go back to school. You know nothing of my level of intelligence or education. To even make that kind of presumption is arrogant and just as presumptuous as your opinion of me.

You are a perfect example how the American education system has failed us in Aptitude/math. (by the way I test in the upper 1 percentile and have demonstrated abilities in use of it, that is what I do for a living, I am in an occupation that takes data and turns it into 160+ HP, yes we use statistical data to do this and I know way past your poor education level to explain)

And you are an example of how the American Education System has failed us in the ability to communicate. For someone who claims to test in the top one percentile, your writing skills leave much to be desired. I recommend that you go back to whatever school/university you earned degree from and demand recompense. They failed you, and you paid for it. How you ever got past English 101 baffles me. For a man who, based on his claims, can almost certainly recite Pythagorean’s theorem from memory, I seriously doubt you could write it down.

Next come out of hiding and see if you can keep your job for your despicable name calling and poor representation of America. You are a danger to what democracy really is.

Come out of hiding and see if I can keep my job? What the hell are you talking about? Please, sounding smart does not become you, so stop. My opinion and lack of fear in expressing it is what this country is all about, and what I put my uniform on for every single day. Until you don any military uniform or pick up a weapon in defense of anything, shut it, and appreciate what I do for you and your family.

I will pick out a few things from you presently posted attempt at rebuttle, if you want a complete detailed response put your name and where you live out there and you will get it.

Rebuttal, you idiot! Do you even know what a spell check is? Apparently you don’t. I will not give you nor post my address or phone number in the interest of my privacy. I did that once on a previous website. A bad idea I will not repeat. Think what you want. You have my email so send whatever response you have.

first you say our freedoms are limited like free speech and arms. Do you understand why these have limitations because it is very appropriate to this debate. A limitation to free speech I am very aware of, is yelling fire in a crowded movie theatre. Do you see the reason for this, because it can harm OTHERS. Limitation in arms, I do not want you to have control of a shoulder launch missile or a nuclear war head, why because you can harm others. Just ask Mr. right wing Militia gun fanatic Tim McVey what else he could have done with a bit more fire power. Do you see/understand the reasons why we have these limitations now. Or is the world still flat in your very limited or apparently technologically challenged mind.

You don’t read very well, do you? You wonder why it’s so easy to ridicule you and why your intelligence is in doubt. I already stated that rights are not absolute. Why are you trying to explain this to me? Did you even read what I wrote? It would appear that you didn’t.

Again it is on par with motorcycles, since you are not statistically able to hurt others riding a motorcycle it should be your choice if you do or do not wear a helmet. I think you agreed or agree that you have the right to go hang gliding, fly a small plane, smoke cigars, eat a McDonnalds hamburger, walk cross the road without wearing a helmet (though most of the people that die walking across the road that fall or get hit by cars die from head injuries) and other things that can or do harm you. As you may or may not know at the most 10 people in the USA may die because of a motorcyclists action in a year total. Because this data is not broken down it may actually only be one or none in some years. Thus we mototorcyclists do not kill others. As such there should not be a limit on our choice of helmets or no helmet.

I think I’ll agree that you can do pretty much whatever you want, within the limits of the law. However your argument on wearing helmets when doing everyday shit is just friggin stupid. You don’t travel at 60 mph when you’re eating a Quarter Pounder, smoking a cigar, or crossing the road. People do wear helmets when hang gliding, so that might not have been the best example.

You are correct that the chances of a motorcyclist injuring someone other than themselves are slim. However, I don’t wear my helmet to protect others; I wear it to protect me. Furthermore, as you stated (sort of), someone other than the motorcyclist causes a good majority of motorcycle accidents. Accidents are usually caused by inattentive or under-skilled drivers, unseen or unavoidable road hazards, or just plain bad luck. It is because of that that I wear a helmet. It is because of events that are outside of my control on the road that I wear a helmet. Anybody that can’t see that needs to, soon.

Now you asked about what a Emergency room doctor or doctor had to do with anything, Obviously you are not well informed on the issue,

No, my information was just fine. Your little experiment was worthless and without merit, so you decided to add merit by making the subject of your test a doctor. It was a desperate, silly, and just plain stupid excuse to make you seem smarter than you claim you are.

I made a mistake and assumed you might be knowledgeable on this subject; you act like you are a know it all, accept my apology. I need to explain everything to you because you act and have the knowledge base of a 7 year old. There are generally three very effective lobbies that the legislature listens to and testify about helmets laws. One being the insurance companies, one being DOT and the last the Emergency room doctors association. you also asked if this doctor rode, well as a matter of fact he does(with a helmet), and as a matter of fact he is on the board of emergency room doctors. I convinced a member of the major lobby including himself before that mandatory helmets is not the way to go.

Again, there you go, making assumptions. You know nothing of my abilities, and no, I do not know it all. You can take your apology and shove it up your ass.

You brought up three lobbyist groups that legislatures listen to on the effective of helmets and applicable laws; the DOT, insurance companies, and emergency room doctors. With the possible exception of the DOT, these groups are pretty much split when it comes to the effectiveness of motorcycle helmets. There are just as many doctors that argue for helmets as those who argue against them, though I have yet to meet a doctor that doesn’t endorse helmet use. To add to that the American College of Emergency Physicians (www.acep.org) is full of nothing but E.R. doctors raving about the effectiveness of helmet use. I don't know what your Doc was thinking by letting you convince him of anything. You sure you're not talking to a veterinarian?

Finally, I never once stated that I endorse mandatory helmet laws. I merely stated that helmets save lives and that people who throw a fit about wearing them have an image problem.

Now how is it applicable, if you are in a panic situation, say the car in front of you blows a tire and swerves and hits the center divider and spins out toward you, you say you have time to look to see if someone is in your way. Well this exact situation happened to me, and no you don’t in all cases so you have to trust the other data ie your hearing to determine if you can move over to the other lane. If your hearing is distorted as I told you the physics of sound will do you can be in an accident and there is no training that can teach you to take the correct action as it is against human factors. (I know trying to eplain to you physics is past your limited education)

Ok, I’ll go back to what I said in out my previous posting. Your hearing argument is crap. I never said that you would have time to look, that’s you assuming again (and again, and again). In order to effectively avoid any accident or hazard on the road, you must be aware of your surroundings AT ALL TIMES. Look, listen, assess, plan, act, and repeat. You need to do everything you can to make sure you don’t get in a situation you would rather not be in (though not always possible.). If you’re in a bundle of automobiles, get out of it. Give all traffic a wide berth. Regardless of that, I have NEVER had any problems hearing anything on the road while wearing my helmet. Not once.

I’ll throw in some simple physics for you. Wind noise over any smooth surface is much less than that over any diffuse surface. When wearing a helmet, the air is streamlined around the smooth surface of the helmet. Adversely, there are numerous dips and curves in your ear that cause the wind to go everywhere, increasing wind noise. Additionally, you are running air nearly perpendicular to your auditory canal, resulting in even more noise. To give you an example, blow across the end of a closed ended cylinder (such as a straw) and you get a whistle. You are supposedly good with physics, so am I wrong? No.

There are a lot of things I am saying that you do not understand.

How many fucking times are you going to say that? Get the hell over it!

You have to understand that there actually may be people smarter than you in this world.

I’m quite aware of that. I’m not the one spouting about my intelligence now am I? You have some serious self-esteem issues. Get over yourself.

I liked the person that suggested you trade PhD’s with him which I am sure from your ranting and raving pathetic name calling at me and others you do not have. In fact I would be willing to bet a lot of money you could not score higher than me in Math, science, logic and so on. In fact I have very demonstrated abilities in taking statistical theory and putting it into practice as evidenced by numerous US and world patents. These are not just average patents, I have sold several. I do have a degree in Engineering and have developed numerous products from concept to production.

There you go again, you self-indulgent, sanctimonious, egocentric shit. Nobody gives half a rat’s ass how much schooling you have. Education does not beget intelligence. You're living proof of that.

One that has just been approved way to complicated for you to understand. It has to do with minimizing oncoming headlight anti-glare. It works by using statistical probability and data that you would never understand. To you a AC light bulb or Tv is on continuously, that is what you just do not understand because of your small mind. It should be on cars and motorcycles in 5-7 or so years as it does have to be approved by the DOT who does not like me to much for slamming them for their ridiculous data hiding.

Blah, blah, blah! You have no idea what I do or do not understand, or what you're talking about. Do you ever talk about anything but yourself? This whole thing started out as an argument about helmets. Instead of arguing any counter points to anything I said, you’re spending all your bits and bytes on self involved crap. “I did this…I did that..neener-neener-neener!” Nobody cares, but I think I’ve already mentioned that.

That was another of your attacks, you may verify a few years of data yourself, you are just to lazy, and maybe it is beyond your comprehension to understand that the foundation to many inventions and problem solving is understanding and use of data. There are many sites that list the accident data helmet mandatory vs helmet optional. As I said the DOT will not publish this data that is obvious, essential and critical for any decent data analysis. They do not do it because it would harm their case, if it helped their case ie that helmet mandatory states had lower rates of accidents you know they would be publishing it.

No, no, no. I have verified plenty. The truth is this, and I’ll make sure the comprehension level is relatively low. First, we will define “statistics”:

sta·tis·tics [ st? tís tiks ]: branch of mathematics: a branch of mathematics that deals with the analysis and interpretation of numerical data in terms of samples and populations.

Statistics is an art form. Any array of raw data can be manipulated to make any argument, either pro or con. I know because I have done it. The DOT and nearly every anti-helmet group have done it, and will continue to do it. You want an Example? Sure, I’ll give you two.

1) Against Helmet Laws: Anti-helmet groups consistently state that death rates are the same whether a rider wears a helmet or not. They state that more riders die with helmets on than those who choose not to wear them. However, when you ask them what percentage of deaths resulted from head trauma, they conveniently omit or dismiss that data. Mmm, wonder why? Secondly, they fail to mention that their data is normally based on a time when a majority of states required helmets or that a majority of riders wore helmets. If not that, they don’t give percentage/ratio of helmeted/non-helmeted riders. Cause and Effect: If a majority of riders are helmeted, then it can be presumed that the majority of accidents are going to be helmeted riders. Another very important element usually omitted is riders whose lives were saved due to helmet use. Statistics almost always focus on fatalities rather than all crashes. That little number could change any statistic exponentially.

2) For Helmets Laws: When California promulgated its mandatory helmet law, the DOT stated that motorcycle fatalities dropped from 20-40% percent from the previous year. Those are staggering numbers; however, they left out some very important data. As argued by many bikers’ rights groups, the DOT failed to mention that motorcycle registration had also significantly dropped. Therefore, the percentage of fatal accidents in relation to registered motorcycles remained relatively the same. Now in my opinion, the purpose of the law was to decrease fatalities, and it worked. Though the percentage of riders vs. accidents may possibly be the same, the end result was still lower fatality rates. I don’t care if the amount of registrations is down. People who choose not to ride based solely on mandatory helmets laws don’t deserve to ride anyway (my opinion).

It comes down to this; I DO NOT TRUST STATISTICS (Déjà Vu all over again)! Unless I have all the raw data at hand to come to my own conclusions, I’ll be damned if I’m going to listen to any group that has a bias in one way or another. That’s my stand.

Your response that you posted on your web site to me is so rude I think if you posrted your real name you would act like a human but right now you hide like the KKK behind a mask so you can act inhumane. I do not have a problem with freedom of the internet I do have a problem with people like you that hide and do not take responsibility for their actions.

Yes, my posting was rude, but it got your attention, didn't it. That's what makes is so effective. I have learned in my many years of working with decision makers. If you piss them off, they got your point, and understand it. It's a delicate procedure, but effective nonetheless.

I don’t hide from anything. Second, the only actions I have performed are posting my opinions, of which I am also entitled. Have I been wrong in the past? Absolutely, but I learn from them, and move on.

Anytime you want to have a face to face debate give me a yell since you live in Phoenix sometimes we can meet somewhere.

Phoenix? When the hell did I say I lived in Phoenix? Your attention to detail is implausibly unsound. I’m surprised you were even able to find my guestbook much less sign it. I live in Sierra Vista, dumb-ass! SIERRA VISTA, ARIZONA! Look around my site and you will not see the word Phoenix anywhere, but you will see Sierra Vista under every single posting or reply I have made on my guestbook. Somehow, you seemed to miss this, or were you assuming again.

You know who I am because I do not hide under a sheet so you have nothing to fear.

No, I don’t know who you are. I never have or ever will fear the likes of you. I do know that some shit-tard in Boulder City, claiming to have a degree, attempted to write an intelligent argument yet can’t seem to string together more than three correctly spelled words.

By the way time for a credibility test, What have you done accomplished and so on or are you just an arroogent rude jerk as it appears,

“Rude jerk” sounds good to me, so I’ll go with it. You write like a hillbilly on a two-week binge. “What have you done accomplished…?” Maybe you should change your name to Bubba-Joe-John-boy. You sure like to toot your horn; you’ve done quite enough for both of us. But, just so you don’t come back at me with something stupid, I develop, write, validate, and verify training material for new Military Intelligence Information Systems (far too complicated for you to understand!) Bwaa ha ha ha.

Again I am a degreed person in the technical area, as a testimonial to my credibility, how many people that know you have told you that you should get a nobel prize. No not for motorcycle issues. I am sure you have none.

“I am a degreed person in THE technical area” Wow! That’s impressive. “Hi, I’m a ‘THE’ technician.” You're a moron.

Credibility cannot be based on hearsay, moron. Just because some people around you think you deserve some prize, doesn’t mean you do. Credibility is also in the eye of the bewildered (in your case anyway). You call me arrogant and then spout of your own credibility. Does your decadence know no bounds?

I have many that have said that of me. OK now I have given you some of my background, lets see if you can talk the talk or you are as full of it as I am guessing.

You have had many say that of you. Woo-fucking-pee! I’m curious to know what you say of you. Oh, wait, that is all you have done.

If you are just full of it please remove or politely modify your debate with me. And also notify me when you again post or belittle me so I can reply. I am about to start a non-profit that I do not appreciate trash like yours slamming me. It makes me so disgusted to know you are in our country’s military. I am sure my Father a officer and PhD, my brother a Grunt, and Grandfather and officer who all served our country would be shocked and consider your behavior despicable also.

I will not modify anything; however you will be notified (just like you were last time). I didn’t have to work hard to belittle you. I could have not replied at all and let your posting speak for itself.

I don’t give a shit what you think about me, much less your grandfather, father, or brother? They are not in this argument, so leave them out of it.

Exactly how is my slamming you in any way going to affect you starting some non-profit organization? Have I traumatized you that badly? I guess this plays into your claim that I don’t understand cause and effect, because honestly, I don’t get it. Learn how to make a point man.

You say you have integrity, I have no idea how can even think that, of anyone I have ever debated in my life you show the lowest level integrity of anyone I have ever communicated with only a few KKK and militia members I debated are right with you. They are as despicable as your unfounded comments. And again I can respond to all your positions, but to tell you the truth I am busy as I mentioned I am trying to get funding for a non-profit for another patent O have pending that has the ability to save a lot of lives, about 10 PhD’s and doctors have signed a letter of backing for this project. I know these are all people you do not listen to or respect, you are so much smarter than all of them. I hope you never go down but those educated doctors will be who you want to fix you up. You will not want a couch potato expert like you to do it.

Ok, up till now I’ve been nice (ok, maybe not), but being compared to a Ku Klux Klan member (twice) is the last straw. You compare my attempt to informing people of the importance of motorcycle safety (however caustic I may have been) to a group of ignorant bigots trying to wipe every race and religion except theirs off the face of the earth. FUCK YOU!

Now, about you’re 10 PhDs that are backing you, are any of them members of ACEP, ABATE, or anything motorcycle related? Do any of them have anything to do with helmets and their influence on safety? Does anything you do in life have to do with helmets? You yourself stated that you do not have any real expertise in that arena, and then bash me on my lack of knowledge and understanding; ah, the irony.

In conclusion, the next time you write me, keep it on the subject (that would be helmets, not you). If not, you’ll be dismissed. Secondly, please email it to me and have someone proofread what you write before you send it, please. You write like a total tard. Your little rant doesn’t belong on a guestbook. It will stay, however. I do not remove postings, regardless of how stupid they may be. Have a nice day.